Decomplexicating Equine Nutrition Part 05 of 12 – Mitochondria and Making Energy ( Moved to community.thehorsesadvocate.com )
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How do you feel about sunflower meats and Flax? Thanks.
You will look at soft seeds differently after reading a future blog about lectins. This is the missing link to all nutrition. Basically all seeds do not want to be eaten and they may try to make the plant predator sick when they do. An example of a lectin is wheat gluten.
In addition, all seeds are a source of starch as well as the oils they are fed for. Adding any seed (grain) is adding to the carbohydrate dependency (Decomplexicating Horse Nutrition part 6). The double whammy of constant carbs year round plus the inflammatory effects of lectins makes me consider that all soft seeds like sunflower and flax does not belong in the diet of the horse. The possible exception is if it is growing in their pasture. Then it is available for a short time.
The mantra we need to start thinking about is this: Adding something to the horse’s feed is far less effective in developing good health than removing all the inflammatory food.
I now understand why my riding mare started bucking, and really acting crazy. I took her off the grain, and she changed into a new horse. I had already tried everything else, so I knew it had to be in the feed. I did this last year.
Perfect!! You have found what others are finding – and because of this testimony, hopefully more will discover too. Thanks for taking the time to post this. Doc T
Hi Doc, I’m caring for my mare with Lyme and founder issues. I’ve decided to add lysine and Biotin hoof blast which also contains methionine and msm. Her body is week and creeks horribly. I’m hoping once I get her feet corrected with a proper trim angle and glue on shoes for support she desperately needs, I’ll be able to walk her. Grass will be sprouting in about a month or so. I can’t wait. I always look forward to your emails to arrive. Keep up the great work, we appreciate it 🙂
Thanks for this. Remember that 24% of the hoof is cystine which is derived from the methionine consumed in the feed. Also remember that the remaining 76% of the hoof are other amino acids. Adding lysine is a help, but adding proteins with the other amino acids will give you a better, healthier hoof. MSM will diminish the gut inflammation that will allow for more absorption of the amino acids. Consider adding a soy bean meal and whey protein for a more complete assortment of amino acids. Or you can consider a supplement with the 3 limiting amino acids: methionine, threonine and lysine (Tri-Amino).
Thank you. I’ve printed your reply and will look into all that you’ve posted. 2 things; I’ve read so many bad things about GMO soy and it’s hormone disrupting abilities. I don’t think that organic soybean meal is available in quantities for a horse and I’m on a budget. Also, what are your thoughts on DMSO? It is a stronger form of MSM as far as I remember. I heard some amazing things about it. I am aware that whatever is given with it, either topically or orally, makes that substance get absorbed deeper so caution on cleanliness etc..Thanks and enjoy the rest of your day 🙂
Actually many things are genetically modified but soy beans have been given the majority of publicity. The primary purpose of GMO is to protect the plant from pesticides which is another concern.
But looking at soy beans specifically, they are a legume which horses apparently have little problems with. However in humans, the lectins of all legumes have several deleterious effects. I always laugh when someone asks about the estrogen effects of soy on horses. My reply is that not only are there no reported evidence of feminization of horses from soy but if there was, I’m sure it is a lot less in potency than gelding the stallion. 😉
DMSO is one of 3 medications I would want with me if stranded on a deserted island. Enough said? Yes, be careful when adding things to it. Years ago race horse trainers used mercury to blister the shins of horses. Some added DMSO to the mercury blister which carried into the horse the mercury resulting in the death of the horse. That was classic stupidity. Applying DMSO to the skin will take it into every part of the body where it is eliminated in the urine and the breath.
So what are the other 2 meds in case one gets stranded on that deserted island ?
There are three meds I find essential, yet I no longer use any of them now that I know they affect the bacteria in, on and around us. They were a general anti-inflammatory (Tylenol), an anti-diarrhea medicine (Pepto-Bismol) and a topical anti-inflammatory (DMSO). All of these are anti-inflammatories (Pepto has asparin in it). My definition of health is living without inflammation. Eating correctly should eliminate all inflammation other than trauma.
In a book called “Gutbliss” by Robynne Chutkan, MD, the author suggests (as have others) that what we put on and around us also affects the holobiome. This includes shampoos and body soap, toothpaste, mouthwash and body sprays. The suggestion is to stop using these materials or to limit them. I have done this with beneficial effects on my skin and hair.
So I need to amend my “stranded on a deserted island” list with the assumption that if I don’t have any injuries I don’t really need anything!
Not only is Dr T saving horses lives, he’s saving the lives of people who love the horses he cares for🐴😍
Thank you ☺️
Lot of stuff to think about. Very interesting
I will promise you, and everyone else, that while this is a lot to think about, it is worth studying and re-reading. PLUS…… I promise to “dumb it down” in the end and tell you basically what to do in what might be called the “elevator version” (the version that is clear and can be said in 1 minute as you travel up the building in an elevator).
Let me try it here: Stop feeding sugars every day throughout the year and start feeding more cellulose. This is found in grasses which the gut bacteria turn into fats which develops 20 times more energy with no pollution than sugar. Removing continuous year round sugar will rest the insulin system, heal the leaking gut, promote the mental and physical health of your horse as well as reduce your cost of ownership.
How did I do?
You did great… as usual. I am so grateful for this info. My two guys have been on the no grain challenge since Dec. But Titan has been on Dex for his itchiness from allergies. I finally stopped the Dex Feb. 13th and he is super itchy but I’m hoping it’s the right thing to do. They get unlimited hay, some grass since we are in FL and it’s coming in now, water and salt. I also add soybean meal, barn bag and farriers formula to make sure they get enough protein, vitamins and minerals. I have already noticed that the skin on my other guy, Magnum seems to heal so much faster than it ever did before. I don’t bother putting any products on him and I’m amazed at his recovery rate. Makes me think all the sugar he was getting before was keeping him from wound healing. Titan had slight diarrhea for as long as I can remember and that seems to have stop, too. Thanks so much. I’m looking forward to your next blog!
Great observations – thanks for posting them here for others to see. Many horses with “skin conditions” have seen them resolve once they are off grains and the protein has been added for about 6 months. Keep us posted.
As always, excellent article. Here in southern Ontario, Canada, pasture year round is a dream We are fortunate to have June to November. And in June, and last fall the sugar in the grass is high, which can cause other issues. Hay is our biggest source of food, and with the amount of rain last year, the hay is extremely poor quality. Do you have any suggestions on how to create the correct balance of nutrients for good gut bacterial? Thank you
It is more difficult in the northern latitudes. The best thing is to look at your horses. Not looking at the body fat, determine if they are healthy – acting normally, great hair coat, not shivering, no colic, etc. If they are but you need something “more,” you should first look at adding some protein (soy, whey, alfalfa, and combinations in commercial mixes avoiding grains and grain byproducts if possible. Next consider adding noninflammatory oils. A great source for this is Coolstance, a commercial shredded coconut meal. Finally, count the days until the sprin grass comes and makes them fat again.
You may find that in the northern winters, it may take a full year or two for the horse to adjust the gut to have the normal flora of good gut bacteria. Remember that it is more important to eliminate the things that cause the bad gut bacteria to overrun the good bacteria. When these are eliminated, the good bacteria will return especially after a summer of no grain and good grass.
I have one old guy who has “the squirts”. Used to be only when back on hay in the winter. Now it is year round. Age is undetermined, sway back, cranky, but good BCS and muscle tone. He is on Previcox due to arthritis but generally in good form, except the squirts.He also has cushings. I did your three weeks without grain as I was giving them carrots/apples and a handful of oats during the -20 to -30C weather, and it seemed to work for awhile. But all they get here is alfalfa/timothy cubes and optimal (a Purina mineral supplement). and hay of course, free loose salt and lots of water. The squirts came back and I have not repeated the oats, carrots, apples. So scratching my head over the cranky old man. I do use an oil, called Bionic Oil for my hard to put weight on Friesian. Would oil help settle the gut? I can certainly try it. Again thanks. I have spoken to my vet about this, she too is scratching her head as she is not a specialist. I have also spoken to a nutritionist, same problem. So, as you have some great ideas I am certainly interested in your point of view, and as I said, have tried and still do, the no sugar/grain for the horse.
Thanks, Chris
Let’s assume that the gut microbes are not functioning properly and this is the cause of the squirts.
First – eliminate all ingredients that may be disrupting these delicate microbes. This includes Previcox, any Cushing’s medicine, the Optimal, oils and the salt. Only hay and water plus any pasture that might be coming out this spring. Give this a few weeks to help reestablish the gut microbes. It does take time and if you get worried at any point you can always add something back. But time and the removal of the inflammatory ingredient plus the reestablishment of the good gut microbes is what you and your vet can try here.
If this doesn’t work, try a few days of psyllium as directed on the package. The thought here is that some believe it is a pre-biotic (not a pro-biotic) which translated means it is a resistant starch that is food for the good gut microbes – at least in humans. It might be worth a try here.
Another thought is to do a fecal culture. There may be a bacteria that should not be in the gut. You vet can do this.
Please keep us all updated with this.
Okay, will eliminate salt (he drinks well so no worries), cushings med (a bit scary to do), previcox (have done that for 1 week now in my testing of what to do, so will continue), and as I have not given him oil yet, won’t start. I have been giving all the horses a scoop of mixed pure yeast and ground flax but will stop that too, and the optimal. Will do all for 2-3 weeks and report back.
There will not be any grass here for many months and we are heading toward mud season. But only mid Feb, lots of winter still ahead of us.
Fecal will be done for worms soon, so can do it with an extra “look see” about bacteria.
I just read about psyllium and will consider that if nothing works above.
Thanks for your help!
Chris
Looking forward to your results. Thanks!
You did a good “dumb it down”, thanks. I find it all very interesting and enjoy the summary.
Thanks!
Hi Christine, I have had 3 horses on Cushing medication. I first I thought I was doing the very best thing each time a new horse had to go to medication. Each horse was approximately 25. I really never saw any improvements but I convinced myself I did.Especially on my Grand Prix horse which I wanted to keep alive forever. When did I see improvement? When I took them off of it. They became more alive, brilliant, shiny, and there personalities came back. They ate better and they would gallop around even with a little arthritis and one founder from Chushing’s. You know your horse the best not the vet. It sounds like you observe your horse closely. Listen, watch, and use your sixth sense. You are your horse’s advocate.