Rounds with Doc T June 6th, 2024 [[Replay]]

  • Rounds with Doc T June 6th, 2024 [[Replay]]

    Posted by Matt-Support on June 5, 2024 at 1:13 pm

    A growing concern among horse owners is the question, “Why is my horse getting fat?” I want to explore the issues of nutrition and what may be causing our horses to gain extra pounds.

    02:14 – A donkey shows signs of laminitis, but the owner resists advice to remove the grain, soak the hay, and add SBM. “Are there any other differences between horses and donkeys? Is the formula still one # SBM per 1200# horse?”

    05:38 – I start to discuss the role of fructose in developing metabolic syndrome in horses and all animals. I begin with a review of glucose metabolism and the role of insulin in glucose disposal (protecting the body from the damage of free glucose in the blood and within the cells). Then, I present Dr. Richard Johnson’s idea in his book “Nature Wants Us To Be Fat,” where he describes fructose as the “survival switch.”

    14:44 – The survival switch shows that fructose can either be ingested or made within the body. Remember that glucose can be made in the liver through gluconeogenesis from several substrates, including amino acids.

    Grass and last summer’s grass stored as hay can contain high amounts of glucose, fructose, and sucrose. Excess amounts trigger the production of body fat and uric acid (UA), leading to low-grade inflammation and increased blood pressure.

    There are several ways to cause the body to convert glucose, already in the body, into fructose using the polyol pathway. These ways include:

    • Ingestion of excessive high-glycemic carbohydrate foods such as grains and sugary treats.
    • Dehydration (lack of water, excessive salt intake).
    • Umami foods (brewer’s yeast and other yeasts plus glutamate).

    I only bring this exciting subject to our attention in this Rounds With Doc T, but I will delve into it with more details in the future via podcasts.

    39:31 – Do different hays have different fructan levels?

    43:43 – Does soaking hay remove nutrients?

    54:44 – A question about fructans in pasture.

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  • Wren

    Member
    June 7, 2024 at 3:27 pm

    I know you’re too busy to “grade” my notes from the call…but if you scan them and see anything incorrect, please let me know.

    Corrections and additions in GREEN

    Horses Advocate

    6/6/24 Notes

    · 2 sugars—glucose and fructose

    · Starch is stored fuel. Horses eat starch, and then it’s broken into molecules of glucose.

    · Most insulin binds glucose, and it goes to muscle or glycogen—fuel for mitochondria. (Insulin binds most of the glucose, and it goes to muscle and liver, forming glycogen—one of the fuels for mitochondria.)

    · Cellulose—stored in cells & fuel for glucose stored in muscle cell until neededmade in plants from starch and digested by horses in their hindgut into fat (short-chain fatty acids).

    · Brain loves glucose. It goes from liver to brain—with insulin & without insulin. using insulin-dependent and independent paths.

    · The hypothalamus needs insulin.  in the brain gets its glucose from insulin-dependent pathways.

    · When things go wrong, fructose disturbs the process & body uses fructose not attached to insulin. fructose disturbs the process through insulin resistance, then the body uses fructose not attached to insulin but then forms uric acid that damages the mitochondria. 

    · Uric acid causes free radicals to come out and the cell dies form, and the cell struggles from low energy, eventually dying.

    · All excess fructose is sugar makes uric acid. In normal amounts, this causes several protective events to help all animals survive, including the addition of body fat (fuel and water storage), increasing blood pressure (helps to preserve life in stress), and low-grade inflammation (in advance of any infections).  In excess and over time, it damages the body, creating obesity, hypertension, and chronic, debilitating inflammation.

    · Hay is high in fructose when cut May-July. Other factors—time and temperature of cutting, drying time, etc.

    · Fructose in hay fed every day of the year in excess of caloric needs causes cells not to function as designed and the body stores as fat.

    · Fat is fuel for lean times (winter) and also stores water (desert animals).

    · Factors for added fructose—when made from glucose, dehydration & uric acid. through the polyol pathway: 

    • Dehydration (lack of water or excess salt intake)
    • Excess intake of high-glycemic carbohydrates (all grains)
    • Umami foods such as yeast and yeast products found in commercial feeds

    · Uric acid causes inflammation of kidneys, gout in humans, insulin resistance, high blood pressure, brain dysfunction (Alzheimer’s, aggression, addiction, and other disorders), feeds cancer cells, and develops chronic inflammation diseases.

    · Fructose is also triggered by too many simple carbs (grains).

    · Carbs=Glucose=Fructose=sucrose=starch

    · Fructose=Fructans = stored fructose in plants

    MAIN POINT >> Fructose is added from foods and also produced by the body (polyol pathway).

    Thanks so much! I’m really trying to get this! Wren’s person, Linda.

    THA Friends-you are welcome to add or correct, also.

    EVERYONE – more to come in the next few podcasts!!

  • Wren

    Member
    June 11, 2024 at 7:16 pm

    Thanks so much…so sorry for all the corrections 🙁

    Linda

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