Rounds With Doc T – Ask Doc T Anything – 2022 July 11th

  • Rounds With Doc T – Ask Doc T Anything – 2022 July 11th

    Posted by Matt-Support on July 11, 2022 at 1:14 pm

    A lot was asked (not in order in the video):

    1. What are soybean hulls and are they OK to feed?
    2. What is sugar beet pulp and is it OK to feed?
    3. My barn manager doesn’t like this diet and is telling me that I need to feed grain or I’ll be asked to leave.
    4. What is vegetable oil and should I feed it?
    5. Blue Seal is the only company willing to sell me good quality soybean meal.
    6. Where can I find good quality soybean meal? All here is filled with “other things.”
    7. The hair coat isn’t coming in very well, though it looks 10 times better than last year.
    8. What are your thoughts on finding non-GMO and organic soybean meal?
    9. How do you feed a micro-mini donkey?
    10. My horse had free fecal water and was treated by the vet causing him to be sent to the hospital for severe colic.
    11. How to control free fecal water.
    12. How much do you feed a 300-pound Shetland pony?

    The chat:

    20:13:08 From Chris Huppe : Leave! Run! As fast as you can!
    20:15:43 From Chris Huppe : No one can insist on what YOU do for your horse! Lead by example, use your head, use your intuition. Love your horse more than you fear the barn owner. Show her what you’re made of Bill! You’ve got this!
    20:16:12 From Chris Huppe : 😂🤣😂🤣
    20:16:37 From Kathy Tucker : We all know what happened to Secretariat when he got fat.
    20:32:24 From Caroline : Oat oil inflammatory too?
    20:32:44 From Kathy Tucker To All Panelists : Well Pride are the people we met at Equine Affaire
    20:39:46 From Caroline : Does he also have anhydrosis?
    20:41:34 From Kathy Tucker : Yes
    20:42:15 From Kathy Tucker : She had fly problems on her central midline. Now it’s gone.
    20:42:49 From Caroline : I see the same in my boy that doesn’t sweat – absence of hair along throat & neck
    20:43:27 From Caroline : is it a convolution of two physiologic issues?
    20:47:57 From Malena Laylin : My horses gleam and they have not been bathed other than hosing off sweat for years.
    20:53:55 From Kathy Tucker : I actually soaked it overnight & then all day for evening meal.
    20:57:05 From Caroline : Friends filled a hay bag with dry hay, and used a pulley to dunk in a barrel of water – worked a dream
    20:59:46 From Jill To All Panelists : Just got a miniature Shetland. She was on coastal. Should I soak the coastal. I don’t have a weight on her yet but she is probable about 250 to 350 pounds. How much soy bean?
    21:00:12 From Kathy : maybe Bill should add the Coolstance to his horse’s diet .
    21:00:36 From Alicia.donahue@nashuacapital.com : she is blessed! get two!
    21:01:56 From Kathy Tucker : Those 2 pics are of the wheelbarrow.
    21:01:56 From Caroline : Hahahaha, Alicia – he’s a little tyrant!
    21:02:39 From Caroline : …but i love him to bits
    21:05:10 From Alicia.donahue@nashuacapital.com : he just needs a little hay – nothing else! don’t believe him if he says any different
    21:06:08 From Caroline : Awesome Doc T!!!
    21:06:14 From Caroline : And Alicia!
    21:10:30 From Kathy Tucker To All Panelists : Kathy suggested that Bill add Coolstance
    21:14:31 From Malena Laylin : Question: I am looking for ORGANIC or at least non-GMO soybean meal. I am aware of the reasons why this might be considered a waste of money and I still want to find this if it is out there. Any ideas?
    21:14:34 From Chris Huppe : Thank you!😊
    21:14:48 From Alicia.donahue@nashuacapital.com : thank you thank you. so appreciate your help
    21:14:48 From Bonny Barry : Thank you!
    21:17:11 From Jill To All Panelists : Just got a Shetland pony is probably between 250 to 350 lbs. how much soybean. She is fat fat fat. They had on coastal. Should I soak coastal? She is getting good grass here.
    21:20:03 From Caroline : Can we do smtg with rejuvenation of grassland and at the same time improve the health of our horses?
    21:21:05 From Caroline : …this is from a goelogist who gets how the evolution of horses went hand in hand w the development of grasses (native ones!)
    21:21:11 From Chris Huppe : Totally agree. We are crazy and our horses are paying the price.
    21:22:47 From Malena Laylin : Fair enough and thank you!! FYI, this came out recently and perhaps we can chat about it the next time I see you: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/09/weedkiller-glyphosate-cdc-study-urine-samples?CMP=oth_b-aplnews_d-1
    21:23:22 From Kathy Tucker To All Panelists : Bill has hand up
    21:24:31 From Caroline : something!
    21:24:33 From Caroline : sorry!
    21:24:54 From Kathy Tucker To All Panelists : something
    21:25:57 From Caroline : https://texasprairie.org/
    21:26:30 From Caroline : Bermuda & Coastal = Donuts
    21:28:16 From Malena Laylin : Fair enough!
    21:28:49 From Caroline : Gotta go – brilliant as usual! Thku so much Doc T & All.
    21:31:16 From Malena Laylin : Thank you so much for your time and counsel!!

    Doc-t replied 3 years, 2 months ago 3 Members · 3 Replies
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  • Doc-t

    Organizer
    July 9, 2022 at 3:09 pm

    Please send me some topics that YOU are interested in discussing – Doc T

    • KrissyHumptyDooNT

      Member
      September 13, 2022 at 4:35 pm

      Hi Dr T,

      I’ve had my 3 horses on the no grain diet for some time now and am happy with the results. My horse with ‘Sweet Itch’ no longer requires 24 hour rugging, spraying and is a much happier horse and my horse with anhidrosis – sweats. Recently I’ve leased out my anhidrosis horse to my good friend who has asked if she can replace the SBM with microlupins. I’ve declined and she’s agreed to it but has asked if I can find out whether microplupins is acceptable on the diet. I’ve had no experience with microplupins and on googling this feed, some websites advise microlupins are legume seeds where other research indicate it is a grain. Checking the alfalfa pellets bag I discovered there is lupins in the alfalfa pellets. Are lupins an alternative to soy bean meal which here in the Northern Territory (Australia) we sometimes find SBM hard to get?

      • Doc-t

        Organizer
        September 17, 2022 at 9:08 pm

        @KrissyHumptyDooNT – We have little experience feeding lupins to horses here in America. In AU, its’ use is only for 30 to 40 years. In addition, little research has been done on the bioavailability of the protein in horses making its dosing unclear.

        Lupins are a legume like alfalfa, peanut, and soybean. I can tell that feeding sweet lupin seems OK for horses, while other species of lupins may not be healthy. The same goes for raw soybeans, though I saw one report where horses turned out in a soybean field in South America seemed OK. SBM is a processed soybean denaturing an enzyme (trypsin inhibitor) in the raw bean that prevents the horse’s use of amino acids. I wonder if this may also occur in lupins.

        From Hygain’s website, I understand that their “micro” processing of lupins makes it “more digestible,” causing the release of any sugar (starch) to occur earlier in the process. This keeps the sugar away from the hindgut, which, they theorize, decreases hindgut inflammation. However, releasing sugar in the small intestine should be avoided in horses with insulin resistance, metabolic disease and laminitis.

        The protein content of lupins is less (in %) than SBM, so more needs to be fed. I do not know the economics of this. In addition, the amino acid profile is different, specifically lower in methionine, which is needed to make good keratin (hooves and hair).

        In light of the SBM working, why change to an unknown protein source? If SBM is unavailable, maybe try lupins, but keep good records and report back to us.

        Here is a link to what I thought was a good article on lupins: https://ker.com/equinews/lupins-horse-feeds/

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